Re: CF: Re: apply() cleanup

[Jeffrey Hantin <>]

> I have ecountered much more defect maps and i personaly think that 
about 30%
> or more
> have
> - bugs from game system changing in it
> - releated maps where changed
> - where untestet
>  - the map designer haven't finished his job
> - The game changed and the map playing not
> - the map is shit :)

> I play alot pupland and Lake Coutry, one of my favorite map sets.

> LC maps are one of the best and have a whole set of good quests,
> but there was a mass of exploits in.

Pup_land is a great area as well, at least idea-wise. :-)  There are 
exploits and/or surprising secrets all over the place as well in 
addition to the many "think like the map creator" aggravations (see 
prior thread).  Of course, one thing that's just plain annoying in 
pup_land is the raffle-like nature of some of the high-end quests-- 
complete them, and you still have only a 1 in 2, 1 in 4 or worse 
chance of actually obtaining the real prize (i.e. lever of fortune in 
the Atelier of Artifacts, Lord Eureca quest).  And don't even think 
about tackling the trickier areas without some dust of Ibn Gahzi... 
too many invisible exits, pedestals, trapdoors, etc. on unholy ground.

> Here are some are remember:

[snip]

> - In the study (i fixed the prison map for my server) Wist don't 
appear, the
> mashine for it
> was way to complicate ( first time i see it i must think about kermit 
and
> his "what happens then"
> mashine... (don't know the right eords in english)).

Reminds me of a series of drawings by Rube Goldberg, or maybe the DOS 
game from Sierra, "The Incredible Machine".  There's a truly amusing 
bug in /pup_land/ancient/ruin/house2 ... there are two 
lightningwall-gates-and-a-scroll-on-a-button machines (latching AND 
gates) placed too close together (no blocked square between), and the 
second lightningwall's bolt reflects off the first gate, back over 
itself, and toasts the first machine's scroll... oops.

[snip]

> I have a public server for playing and testing and i want debug the 
Lake
> Country maps and write down the story line
> there... Lord Butakis und Sunset Castle for example.

[snip]

I'm considering making my server public as well.  I'm currently 
running the 0.95.5 release code base, and in the process of trying to 
integrate my local patches into a recent CVS snapshot.

Unfortunately I still can't seem to get on the main list at 
 so I'm posting this to the 
 sublist, hoping it reflects back 
through the main list.

Jeffrey Hantin